NATIONAL RADIO ASTRONOMY OBSERVATORY Green Bank, WV MEMORANDUM February 25, 1997 TO: G. Behrens, R. Fisher, R. Lacasse, M. MkKinnon, R. Norrod, T. Weadon FROM: R. Lacasse SUBJ: Minutes of Interference Protection Group 2/25/97 Meeting In attendance: Behrens, Fisher, Lacasse, McKinnon, and Weadon RF: Changes to minutes of previous meeting? All: NO. RF: Highest priority of group is to test equipment going on GBT. Discussion of connector panel for indoor test range: GB: Sample layout for panel shown in distributed sketch. The panel includes 4 Type N coax connectors, 2 filtered DB 25's, two multi-pin cylindrical (32 pin and 6 pin) connectors capable of 7 amps per pin, a telephone filter, and two feedthru pipes for fiber cables. The multi-pin cylindrical connectors provide 1 db of attenuation at 1 MHz and 42 db at 30MHz. RF: The room itself is spec'd for 60 to 70 db. It would be preferable to maintain that level of isolation if it's not too expensive. GB: The DB 25's are even worse, providing about 27db at 30MHz. How was the frequency span for testing decided. RF: Low end is determined by room. To get quantitative measurements, need to have antenna at least a wavelength away from the device under test, to get in the far field of the antenna. Given that the range is 11 meters long, the low frequency limit is about 30MHz. The high end (3GHz)is a bit arbitrary. Most interference is below this frequency, and the area of the feeds is getting quite small at this frequency. Also the expense of going higher in frequency is a consideration. GB: Which DB-25 should we get? RF: The one with most attenuation, since we have no immediate plans to run high frequency digital signals through these filters; they are mostly for control signals. GB: Feedthrus for fibers are 0.5" diameter. Some discussion of whether two is enough and whether 0.5" is big enough. TW: Prefer 4 feed-thrus. ***: Action item for Behrens to check with Turner and Shank on sizes of connectors prior to committing to diameter. GB: Suggest communications into the room via speaker phone. All: Good idea. Separate extension desirable. GB: Showed gasketing plan for panel. MM: Plans for screws around panels? Question is prompted by the poor performance of a microwave oven enclosure with a door make of aluminum. GB: Hex head screws every few inches usually work. RL: Good success (60 - 70db?) with a box being used by Schiebel using Zeuss fasteners every few inches. RL: Is there room for expansion on the panel? GB: The panel is the maximum size permitted by the room construction. Additional capability would be difficult to come by. TW: Would people want a tour of the room led by GB? All: Yes. ***: Action item. All to attend tour at 1:00 on 2/26/97. Some discussion of other connector requirements for the shielded room. RL: The lack of any power except 120VAC has already proven to be a limitation. It would be desirable to have 208 3-phase and possibly 240V single phase. ***: Action item for Weadon to follow this up with Fleming. Discussion of other items on agenda: RF: Review of call outs for RFI? MM: None. RF: Report on Sizemore's inventory? MM: It is started and is due to be complete by 3/4/97. Each item on the inventory will be designated as to whether it can be shared with, or not shared with, or given to, the IPG. RF: Reaction to requirements document produced by RF? All: Not studied yet ***: Action item for RL, MM, TW to study this document and have comments prepared by the next meeting. RF: List of equipment to be tested. Norrod has started on a list. TW: The list, as presented, does not include anything in the receiver room. However, it has to be assumed that everything in the room will be tested. RF: Agreed. Shielding from the room probably won't exceed 20db. Until recently, perhaps none of us appreciated how quiet the equipment being installed in or near the feeds has to be. The noise floor in the recent Schiebel/Norrod tests is 20db higher than it really needs to be. RL: Need to be able to get a signal to the spectral processor from the test facility to achieve this level. ***: Action item for Weadon to get this fiber installed. TW: Inventory of receivers and transmitters. Found the one that White was supposed to have. It includes a receiver and transmitter with 3GHz BW. Norrod also has a narrow band (30MHz) receiver/transmitter pair. White and Norrod have recommended amplifiers and optical isolators in other single mode links; this will most probably be required in the link from the test facility to the spectral processor. Isolators cost about 1K and have 8 week delivery. General discussion of interference detection systems to be designed and built by this group. There is general agreement that there are various designs possible. These designs need to be properly engineered and the various trade-offs studied. RL expressed interest in being on a subcommittee involved in the design and evaluation, assuming time can be found to do this. TW: A technician who will replace Jim Oliver will start work soon. Part of his duties will include taking care of routine tasks generated by the IPG. The most immediate task is to calibrate equipment presently in use in the test range for interference measurements. Norrod will do some of this himself before the new technician starts. Next meeting: Friday, March 7, at 0800 in new conference room.