03jul03 bsm Questions and Issues in Connection with -the GB site -mm observing at the GB site -PTCS boundary conditions ======================================================= The Basic Questions A. To what extent is anomalous refraction likely to be a limitation for the GBT at > 40 GHz (say)? Does this influence the PTCS pointing strategy? Is there anything we can do with existing or planned instruments to mitigate the impact? Do we need to consider building something else and is this even remotely feasible? B. How much observing time, REALLY, can we expect at 3mm in Green Bank? C. Do we have the right suite of instruments to give a zeroth- order realtime assessment of the suitability of weather conditions for high frequency observing? ======================================================= A way to break them down: I. Atmospheric Opacity Models (ie the opacity of the flat slab) A. Critical Comparison of the usefulness of existing atmosphere codes: AT (Grossman-- old i think), MPM (Pardo-- better?); ATM (Pardo -- best?). Kim C. points out there are some military models which would be worth looking into. At the level we care about, and at 3mm wavelengths, I'm not sure there are important differences, but I'm not sure there aren't. B. From the Models: is there a reasonable opacity to pwv translation (eg, at 86 GHz)? how much does this depend on other variables? What is the pwv=0 (dry) opacity? How robust is an 86 GHz to 45 or 20 GHz tau translation, and what is it? II. Models of Atmospheric Fluctations A. For Large Single Dishes: there is a substantial body of work where people have attempted to model the atmosphere to understand interferometer or small single dish experiments (see papers by Lay; Lay & Halverson; and S. Church [1995]). The fluctuations for large single dishes are not as well studied. Are near field effects important? The contribution through sidelobes? A key question: what levels of atmospheric spatial variation across an array detector (30'' FOV) can be for the GBT expected, and how much variation in this with time? B. Anomalous Refraction: there has been some empirical characterization of AR with single dishes (Olmi 2001; Altenhoff 1987), but little attempt to relate these models to the fluctuation models. The relation has been considered for interferometers by Lay (1997) and others. It would be interesting and useful to look at this for the GBT. Also, to relate this to the 12 GHz interferometer measurements we have. Also to relate this to the total power gradient in emission (which could potentially be seen by an array detector) --> In all of this the atmosphere models are probably very uncertain, but even order of magitude, or best/reasonable/worst, estimates, would be helpful. III. GB Site Data A. Tipper Data: is the current way of analyzing the tips reasonable & robust? is there a better way? Is the tipper useless and we should consider something else (tipping the GBT-- but why would this be better?; or GPS line-of sight measurements)? Is the difference in the tipper far-field, and the GBT far field important? B. Cumulant fcns of tau(86) for a number of years. How much does this change from year to year? -- at the Atacama site, a lot; and at GB, this also seems likely. C. Similar cumulants for the interferometer would be interesting. D. Combine wind, interferometer, and opacity constraints to estimate how much observing time per year we will get for several interesting opacity thresholds at 3mm (tau>0.1; tau>0.15; tau>0.2 say). Note that constraints for 3mm continuum and spectral line are potentially different. 3mm (large array) continuum wants low tau most; 3mm spectral line wants reasonably low tau, but loses more sensitivity to uncorrected pointing errors. Are there other environmental envelope effects which, from the PTCS side, should be considered in this analysis? Converseley, do the results of this analysis indicate that the PTCS environmental envelope should be more (or less) stringent? (whatever the envelope is) IV. Observational Tests of Anomalous Refraction A. As per II.B above: can a reasonable analytical or numerical relation of the actual (or RMS?) interferometer phase on the fixed 100m baseline, to the expected 1-axis anomalous refractive pointing correction at a given az/el (or its RMS...?) be made? if so and this is significant: B. Attempt to assess the contribution of anomalous refraction to halfpower tracks under a variety of conditions. Perhaps this could be done even in the absence of an understood correlation, by transforming the data into the appropriate coordinate system and looking for correlations.